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Very vulnerable and feel afraid. False allegations against me.

The end of a relationship is bad enough when you can sense it coming.
When it's out of the blue it's devastating.
It's a form of grief you're going through.
There's the denial, anger, bargaining etc.
It feels like you're going mad with the same thoughts going round and round.

Your ex is the one with the problem because she initiated the split but is now trying to destroy you.
I think it makes it harder to understand when the initiator gets so spiteful.
Most people can understand anger and malicious behaviour at the start of a break up when that person may have been cheated on or feels rejected.

Unfortunately it's a case of time heals in terms of getting over the break up. It seems unimaginable you'll ever get over that person and what has happened but it's a case of taking each day, even each hour, at a time.
 
You are right, I am feeling like it is the end. The only thing stopping me is my kids but I'm very close to giving up.

She is the one that is turning my life upside down. I realise that but at the same time I'd do anything to just turn the clock back to before this all happened.
I know that it will probably be better once this all settles and might even be better for the kids once but right now I just can't picture it.
I'm hoping counciling will help but I don't know. My solicitors seems to be getting me nowhere too.

I have to admit I am worried about the police matter. I have lost track of whether I have mentioned it or not but she said I've been using co-ercisve behaviour. Yes, we've had arguments and shouted at each other. She may have text messages where when she has done a suicide attempt I've said its all my fault and that im the one that needs to change, that I need to be calmer, etc. I was trying to make her feel ok.
The police also saw tonnes of messages on my phone but how else are you meant to sort out child care. and is it really unreasonable to ask your wife her reasons for a divorce when the week before she wanted us to go away to Scotland for a romantic break and was making plans for the following week as a family.

She's now twisting everything around. For example saying that when I pull her in for a kiss in the morning then this is abuse.
I'l be honest we were having some time out from intimacy and were quite happy with a cuddle and a kiss. When we spoke of what we wanted for the future and tackled subjects such as money, house, family, love, etc, I was shocked that she didnt want intamcy at the time and assumed this was becuase she didnt want our love or this relationship. Theres several messages where I'm trying to establish what she means as to me marriage and a loving relationship needs to show feelings, needs a physical chemistry. I didnt understand and needed to know what she wanted.
I found it important to ask about that as you shouldnt be waking up each day wondering, should I touch her or not.
We concluded that we needed time and I was alright with that. Now however she is saying this is pestering sxual behaviour.

She's blaming me for things like taking her keys when she was about to collapse and could never have driven the car.

And the latest thing is to do with stalking.....where she is saying I've been using our CCTV cameras to spy on her.
This was put in as a security system. And yes there have been times where I've checked the kids are back home! I dont know how she can be paranoid as we even had find my iphone on both our phones so we could both see where we were too.
As she drives my kids around and had recently done a suicide attempt going missing, I said to her we cant have the kids in the car when you are feeling like this. I put a tracker on the car, bearing in mind this is the car that the kids are in most of the time, and said it was for the family safety.
From her latest suicide attempt it was clear I wasnt comfortable with her disappearing somewhere with the kids when she has suicidal thoughts and health issues.
This was put in several months ago and ofcourse, not just now. I told her about it yet she is now saying it was put there illegally and just these past weeks. I've showed the police the receipt to prove when it was put there.

I know I need to try and be cool about all this but right now its hard. I keep thinking about my kids being stuck in all this.
She even told me off when I mentioned to the kids I would mend their swing in the garden, and told me "You will never be coming back to this house".
She's told me I need to tell my children I am more than happy living away and all is perfect. This just makes them confused and they've asked me why. I do not want to be away from them. This is not right telling them this.

I know that this will take time and can't see that far and that it will get better however I'm trying to do one day at a time and look forward to see the kids. I just feel like there are constant hurdles in the way and if I do anything she doesnt like she will throw more things at me that just cause me more setbacks.

Thankyou for all your support on here. I may actually phone the samaitans tonight as just to talk may help.
 
You are right, I am feeling like it is the end. The only thing stopping me is my kids but I'm very close to giving up.

She is the one that is turning my life upside down. I realise that but at the same time I'd do anything to just turn the clock back to before this all happened.
I know that it will probably be better once this all settles and might even be better for the kids once but right now I just can't picture it.
I'm hoping counciling will help but I don't know. My solicitors seems to be getting me nowhere too.

I have to admit I am worried about the police matter. I have lost track of whether I have mentioned it or not but she said I've been using co-ercisve behaviour. Yes, we've had arguments and shouted at each other. She may have text messages where when she has done a suicide attempt I've said its all my fault and that im the one that needs to change, that I need to be calmer, etc. I was trying to make her feel ok.
The police also saw tonnes of messages on my phone but how else are you meant to sort out child care. and is it really unreasonable to ask your wife her reasons for a divorce when the week before she wanted us to go away to Scotland for a romantic break and was making plans for the following week as a family.

She's now twisting everything around. For example saying that when I pull her in for a kiss in the morning then this is abuse.
I'l be honest we were having some time out from intimacy and were quite happy with a cuddle and a kiss. When we spoke of what we wanted for the future and tackled subjects such as money, house, family, love, etc, I was shocked that she didnt want intamcy at the time and assumed this was becuase she didnt want our love or this relationship. Theres several messages where I'm trying to establish what she means as to me marriage and a loving relationship needs to show feelings, needs a physical chemistry. I didnt understand and needed to know what she wanted.
I found it important to ask about that as you shouldnt be waking up each day wondering, should I touch her or not.
We concluded that we needed time and I was alright with that. Now however she is saying this is pestering sxual behaviour.

She's blaming me for things like taking her keys when she was about to collapse and could never have driven the car.

And the latest thing is to do with stalking.....where she is saying I've been using our CCTV cameras to spy on her.
This was put in as a security system. And yes there have been times where I've checked the kids are back home! I dont know how she can be paranoid as we even had find my iphone on both our phones so we could both see where we were too.
As she drives my kids around and had recently done a suicide attempt going missing, I said to her we cant have the kids in the car when you are feeling like this. I put a tracker on the car, bearing in mind this is the car that the kids are in most of the time, and said it was for the family safety.
From her latest suicide attempt it was clear I wasnt comfortable with her disappearing somewhere with the kids when she has suicidal thoughts and health issues.
This was put in several months ago and ofcourse, not just now. I told her about it yet she is now saying it was put there illegally and just these past weeks. I've showed the police the receipt to prove when it was put there.

I know I need to try and be cool about all this but right now its hard. I keep thinking about my kids being stuck in all this.
She even told me off when I mentioned to the kids I would mend their swing in the garden, and told me "You will never be coming back to this house".
She's told me I need to tell my children I am more than happy living away and all is perfect. This just makes them confused and they've asked me why. I do not want to be away from them. This is not right telling them this.

I know that this will take time and can't see that far and that it will get better however I'm trying to do one day at a time and look forward to see the kids. I just feel like there are constant hurdles in the way and if I do anything she doesnt like she will throw more things at me that just cause me more setbacks.

Thankyou for all your support on here. I may actually phone the samaitans tonight as just to talk may help.

Definitely call Samaritans that will help calm your mind and bring you back to the moment, and focus better, I feel you are a bit lost in your thoughts which is perfectly normal and every dad who goes through this, feels that way. So yea call them, and perhaps have counseling too, face to face with someone, even if it's online, will help you a lot.

Don't worry too much about the coercive allegation, it's such a common thing now it's becoming cliché. The police have to investigate it because it's a serious allegation, but it has to be proven without a doubt for it to go anywhere. A lot of normal relationship behaviour could be misconstrued into control or coercive behaviour, for example -

"I have to control my girlfriend's spending because she goes out and spends hundreds of pounds on clothes every week"

Could be twisted by the girlfriend/wife into
"he controlled all the finances and wouldn't allow me to have my own money".

Or

"I have to coerce my partner into going out with friends"

Can be twisted and put as
"He controlled and coerced me, he made me do things I didn't want to do."

Just examples but you get the idea. So don't worry too much about allegations. The police deal with real controlling and coercive individuals and there is a huge difference.

Children are resilient they will be ok. If they struggle at any point, you can help them, that's why you need to look after yourself now. Especially if as you say the mother is the way she is, they need you.

This is just a process that you are going through, it will end buddy, you just need patience, calm, positivity, visualise the future that is coming with your children, it won't be long 🙏🏻
 
Should I worry about the tracker? It was purchased the day after she tried to commit suicide and when she was not looking well at all.

Also, do you think I should just transfer her the money I owe her for the shed. My solicitor said it won't break any rules and would instead stop her from getting demanding and nasty.

Thankyou.
 
Should I worry about the tracker? It was purchased the day after she tried to commit suicide and when she was not looking well at all.

Did she know about the tracker?
Or did you put it on there without her knowing?

If she knew and you did it because you worried about her health etc then it sounds reasonable and normal, it's the same as family tracker apps on a phone, I used one with my ex and her mum, my mum, even my nan was on it. It was nice knowing everyone was safe, especially my ex and daughter, and my nan, for me. We all used it. But she's twisted it to say I followed her. Innocent and normal things are twisted by those who are looking out for themselves, and to try and have the upper hand.

Regarding the shed, I'd follow what your solicitor says. But in the grand scheme of what's going on, money for a shed isn't a big deal.

Much easier said than done but, conserve your energy, try not to worry too much.
 
Thanks. I made sure to keep the receipt to show show when it was purchased and it was at the time she told me she had suicidal thoughts, was not well, and she was driving my kids around. Seeing as you need to go on a fast dual carriage way too, I just had visions of her crashing the car or doing something silly, especially since she had done her last suicide attempt by lieing and saying she had gone to the shops instead. I felt very worried for the kids and them being driven with someone who is clearly not well.
She had also turned her phone off and told me she was planning to disappear forever so that was another reason, to help in the vent she went missing, as a genuine husband worried about his suicidal wife.

I did tell her at the time, in fact I think it was on the actual day she came out of the hospital.
She has either totally forgotten this, or has now decided to use this against me. Unfortunately it is her word against mine!

I have no reason to stalk my wife when I was seeing her everyday, plus we also had findmyiphone on each others phones too.

On my phone there will be loads of photos of her on the home CCTV system as I was actively trying to gather evidence about what happened when she made allegations against me. No doubt they will be questioning me about that too.
 
The divorce proceedings have come through. I really don't know how I should respond. Part of me thinks this should not be happening and then anothe rpart of me thinks I need to just accept it.
It seems so wrong after it not making any sense. There was no reason for it. It doesnt add up.
 
The divorce proceedings have come through. I really don't know how I should respond. Part of me thinks this should not be happening and then anothe rpart of me thinks I need to just accept it.
It seems so wrong after it not making any sense. There was no reason for it. It doesnt add up.

A lot doesn't make sense to many dad's, it's better going with the flow, in my opinion. And fighting for what's right, through court. I don't think messaging her is going to change anything, it may make things worse with NMO or something. But I have no experience in divorce, just my opinion.
 
I guess theres nothing I can do. It's just the fact that I know this is not just a simple case here, that I know her mental health, and that I know there have been lots of conflicting things said...... It's like the fact we've never been able to talk this through is just contributing to the problems.

My solicitor is saying that this police matter could go on for a long time. I don't know how much longer I can deal with it.

The divorce details say that she has applied to the court for financial orders for the applicant, and for the children of the applicant and the respondent. Not quite sure what that all means.
 
Hi @MountainGoat ,

There are 3 streams to this process & it is a process, so you have to look at it logically & procedurally:

The Divorce - Form 8
The Children - Childcare Arrangements Order (CAO) kicked off via a C100 form submitted to court
The Finances - Financial Remedy Orders (FRO) kicked off via the FRO form submitted to court

It seems like what you have received is the next step in a Form 8 i.e. the request for acceptance that a Divorce has been requested
This should be completely seperate to a notification from the court of the FRO which will include court dates etc

Is that correct, you have two seperate letters, one is just that & the other (FRO) is a bigger pack with a number of documents?
 
Thanks for your reply.

The only thing I've received is an email saying your wife has kicked off divorce proceedings, a link to create an account on the gov site and then details of her declaration for divorce on the portal.
Not received anything else.

I was hoping we could discuss finances and make decisions as to what we do with the house, furniture, etc, between us. Does this mean somene will instead decide for us and I haver no rights to what I want?

Could itmean that she is going to try and keep the house?

Also, does anyone know if whilst I'm not living in the house (but still am 50/50 owner) then can she do things like alter the house, She has just gone and bought a cat for the children and I wonder if she can as its in my house too.

Thankyou.
 
Hey @MountainGoat ,

Realise this is a difficult time for you with an incredible amount of uncertainty.

Firstly, nothing is set in stone, it is always better for all parties that Childcare & Finance matters are resolved out of the courts - this doesn't need any focus yet.

The Divorce itself i.e a formal legal process to dissolve the legal ties between yourself and the wife is procedural and goes through the courts.

1. Form 8 is applied for by a spouse, for this particular process they will be known as THE APPLICANT.

2. Form 8 is acknowledged by ttheater spouse, for this particular process they will be known as THE RESPONDENT

3. Court meets to reiceve both of above forms, this is procedure only, no one attends except the court staff - the process is rubber stamped and this sets of a 20 week wait known as ' The Cooling-off Period'

4. At the above, the court also sets a date to reconvene after the 20 weeks, again no one attends, its an internal procedure

5. After the 20 weeks, court grants a Decree Nisee or Conditional Divorce

6. At this point the applicant has to wait a minimum of 6 weeks before applying to court for the Decree Absolute or Final Divorce.

7. When they court meets to confirm this, again this is unattended except by court staff, this is when your are LEGALLY DIVORCED.

Remember, this is usually not a contested process and you don't need to attend.

You also don't need to respond to the Form 8 just yet, so I would just wait a few days and let yourself process this step.

🙏
 
I was hoping we could discuss finances and make decisions as to what we do with the house, furniture, etc, between us.

Hey,

I'm terms of the above, is to use the court required approach of MEDIATION.

There is a good article explaining this in detail, on the forum:

https://dadswithkids.co.uk/ams/mediation.5/

Basically, it brings a 3rd party between you, trained in mediation, to help arbitrate an amicable resolution.

Check the article out then ask any questions, I would recommend you do this first as getting to Mediation and then going to the next stage will be important step in protecting the children's right to their father
 
Thankyou. I spent money on mediation and she refused to go. Most likely her solicitor telling her as the allegations were DV related and apparently it means they dont need to do mediation. She's got it all worked out!

I'm really peevd about the new pet. We have new carpets and its also my house too. Can she really do this and next week get a dog, or get chickens in the garden....all without my say in the matter?
 
She has occupation now and has removed your occupation status, so unfortunately she can do what she wants. Ownership isn't the same as occupation. Hang in there and don't let her wind you up.
 
I don’t know how she can assume she has occupation status.
It is still both our home and my solicitor has sent her a letter today to make it clear she can’t make decisions on the home without talking to me about it first.

One thing I’ve noticed is that the joint account is more or less empty at the start of the month. She’s mismanaging money terribly and there are regular transfers to her account from the joint account so I can’t see what the money is used for unlike when it comes up as a shop transaction.
Should I be bothered or do I leave her to it if the joint account goes to nothing in it.
 
I think you need some advice on this as you'll need money to live as well. Suggest letting your bank know you're separated and want separate accounts. They would probably stop the current account straight away so I'm not sure the best way to go about this - others may know.
 
Thankyou everyone.

Just taken the kids back home. They had such a great time out tonight. So much happiness when I see them laughing.

They just want me home. It breaks my heart. They want their daddy there.
I can’t just give up. They deserve to stay in their home and be with those that love them. I feel like my wife needs to see we need to do something to make this work. Maybe no longer as a couple but for the kids. I don’t know. Maybe I’m ranting and it just wouldn’t work. I just know my kids need us both right now.
 
Thankyou everyone.

Just taken the kids back home. They had such a great time out tonight. So much happiness when I see them laughing.

They just want me home. It breaks my heart. They want their daddy there.
I can’t just give up. They deserve to stay in their home and be with those that love them. I feel like my wife needs to see we need to do something to make this work. Maybe no longer as a couple but for the kids. I don’t know. Maybe I’m ranting and it just wouldn’t work. I just know my kids need us both right now.
That's great really happy for you man.
Hang in there, sit tight 👊🏻
 
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