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The courts most certainly do need an overhaul when a parent can alienate a 5 year old and the courts don't do anything at all.
 
I'm really sorry to hear this DB.
You have my deepest sympathy and empathy actually.
My partner had similar in court, although his kids are older so I'm surprised they're being so difficult when your daughter is so young.
Family court needs a huge overhaul.
They think as long as one parent (usually mother) is providing care, the other one can be dismissed.
Again, I'm so sorry you're going through this 😔
Thank you Peanut.

Your completely right as is Ash the courts so easily dismiss a father as if there nothing whilst saying “the child needs both parents in there life”

I had high hopes for the judge I had as ash looked into her and she seamed very good but sadly not to be the case.
 
Thank you Peanut.

Your completely right as is Ash the courts so easily dismiss a father as if there nothing whilst saying “the child needs both parents in there life”

I had high hopes for the judge I had as ash looked into her and she seamed very good but sadly not to be the case.
These Judges cover each others arses every time.
 
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I’m so sorry this is so unfair on both you and your daughter. To be alienated at 5 and the courts not to recognise it is an absolute disgrace. I have been following your story and you simply couldn’t have done more. Your daughter will realise one day but I know that no recompense.
 
This outcome appalls me, I am so sorry to learn your hearing did not go to plan.

This is not over though. Hold your head up high and save for a barrister. The dedication, patience, and love you have shown means your daughter will remember you.

Look after yourself my friend

❤️
 
Hi All.

So I wanted so much to be one of the happy endings but sadly I’m not.

My fight is over and my permission to appeal has been refused.

I’ve given it everything and that’s all I could have done I know in my heart the truth and all I can hope for now is one day my little girl realises.

Whether I will see her again who knows but I know that I will always be there for her no matter how long it takes.

I hope you all get what you deserve and you have a better experience with the courts than I have.

Thank you for all your support and advice over the last couple of years it has been invaluable and I class you all as friends.

I will still be here and will try and offer any support and advice I can.

Keep fighting everyone 👊👊

Just really at a loss & saddened to hear this @DB2021 .

You have done both yourself & your daughter proud, we have all seen the fight & are witness to your dedication to supporting your little girl.
I know you will keep her in your heart & thoughts every day & in the future she will get to know & see that love from you directly.

🫂
 
Hi All.

So I wanted so much to be one of the happy endings but sadly I’m not.

My fight is over and my permission to appeal has been refused.

I’ve given it everything and that’s all I could have done I know in my heart the truth and all I can hope for now is one day my little girl realises.

Whether I will see her again who knows but I know that I will always be there for her no matter how long it takes.

I hope you all get what you deserve and you have a better experience with the courts than I have.

Thank you for all your support and advice over the last couple of years it has been invaluable and I class you all as friends.

I will still be here and will try and offer any support and advice I can.

Keep fighting everyone 👊👊

@DB2021 Im deeply saddened to read this, you did your very best against a broken system and your daughter will one day know the truth.

Can I ask on what grounds did they refuse your appeal?
 
@DB2021 Im deeply saddened to read this, you did your very best against a broken system and your daughter will one day know the truth.

Can I ask on what grounds did they refuse your appeal?
Hi DadLad.

Of course, one big reason is I withdrew my application at last hearing due to being given absolutely no other option by a very poor judge but that came back to bite me so I would advise anyone never withdraw even if a judge pretty much pushes you to.

But she said the previous judge hadn’t done anything wrong and she saw no reason to change his decision. Involving more professionals in her mind was pointless and she didn’t think they would have any effect she didn’t say those words exactly but what she was saying is she believed SW and my ex and that ex was not causing this despite there being plenty of evidence to say otherwise. Even when I raised some of this she wasn’t moved.

She also said that children do just reject a parent for no reason sometimes so I was left with no where to go or argue.
 
She also said that children do just reject a parent for no reason sometimes so I was left with no where to go or argue.
This is not normal!
No child rejects a parent for the hell of it.
These so called professionals are so uneducated on why children reject.

Please see attached, if you haven't seen it already....
 
Children aren’t capable of rejecting a parent or any person at that age. They want to build relationships at this age, not be turned against and separated from a loving father.

Makes me extremely sad for you to read this outcome.

What are your thoughts and plan of action at the moment? I understand it’s going to be raw for you… I’m really sorry
 
Even if a parent is abusive (not suggesting DB is) a child doesn't reject them. They want to please them.
Hence why they idealise the alienator, who is the abuser.
 
Children aren’t capable of rejecting a parent or any person at that age. They want to build relationships at this age, not be turned against and separated from a loving father.

Makes me extremely sad for you to read this outcome.

What are your thoughts and plan of action at the moment? I understand it’s going to be raw for you… I’m really sorry
We all know that but sadly the court system is full of people who just see fathers as nothing and will happily remove them to save time.

But at court I knew there was nothing I could say or do that would change things so I just had to accept it.

Moving forward my fight is over I’ll just continue to send cards and ask for updates and make sure I’m okay for when my little girl comes looking for me if she ever does.

There’s nowhere else for me to go now I’ve fought with everything I have and it’s been ignored. There is no positive outcome through the courts ex has played a blinder and without getting an actual professional who understands alienation involved there’s nothing I can do to change things.

I’m broken but not broken enough to not be a strong as I can be for my little girl and she needs me to be there loud and proud if she realises herself what has been done to her.
 
Please ignore me if you wish… maybe I will get flack for saying this. Obviously you’ll have your time to reflect and heal etc. I also don’t want to sound like you haven’t tried these routes. But now it’s come to this.

Is there anyone on your ex’s side that you can communicate with in terms of finding another solution to this? Without it causing a stir. I hate to say this but I remember I was told by a friend whose partner was serving time in jail that they had more time with their children in jail than I was having with my son. It just really stuck with me and made me want to continue and somewhat use this (not in the exact words) against my fight in court.

Without going into detail why is there no option for Child Contact Centre visits??
 
Please ignore me if you wish… maybe I will get flack for saying this. Obviously you’ll have your time to reflect and heal etc. I also don’t want to sound like you haven’t tried these routes. But now it’s come to this.

Is there anyone on your ex’s side that you can communicate with in terms of finding another solution to this? Without it causing a stir. I hate to say this but I remember I was told by a friend whose partner was serving time in jail that they had more time with their children in jail than I was having with my son. It just really stuck with me and made me want to continue and somewhat use this (not in the exact words) against my fight in court.

Without going into detail why is there no option for Child Contact Centre visits??
No I wouldn’t ignore you Jafranks your advice is great.

But no sadly not exs entire family are as narcissistic as she is the most arrogant bunch of people but of course you only see this when your no longer a part of things.

Ex and her family only care about themselves and ex will be portraying me as a deadbeat so there’s no help to be found there.

Was never brought up but my little girl wouldn’t even go even if I was given them. She is severely alienated now to the point where it was only getting a judge to order outside involvement that might have saved things now with that door closed there is no where else to go other than to accept it and wait to see if she seeks me out when she’s older.

All I’ve heard over last few months is that we can’t push her etc etc etc and treating me as if I’m the issue and I’m the one causing her the emotional harm by fighting for her.
 
I've read back from your first post - the mother's behaviour has been despicable throughout. I have complete admiration for your perseverance and I relate totally to your desire to fight to be in your daughters life. Do you have any parental rights? Can you communicate with her via the school and stay present in her mind?

Once you've recharged your battery pack it'll be good to see what the possibilities are. Big up yourself for giving everything DB2021 .
 
Hi All.

So I wanted so much to be one of the happy endings but sadly I’m not.

My fight is over and my permission to appeal has been refused.

I’ve given it everything and that’s all I could have done I know in my heart the truth and all I can hope for now is one day my little girl realises.

Whether I will see her again who knows but I know that I will always be there for her no matter how long it takes.

I hope you all get what you deserve and you have a better experience with the courts than I have.

Thank you for all your support and advice over the last couple of years it has been invaluable and I class you all as friends.

I will still be here and will try and offer any support and advice I can.

Keep fighting everyone 👊👊

@DB2021 , I had to come back to this post.

When I read what you've written, I can't but admire the strength that is conveyed in your acceptance, a difficult but important step moving forward into the future.

That commitment to her, continuing to keep her at the centre of your heart & mind - it is a rare quality and majority do not have the precious gift of a person like you, a father like you.

Ive saved your above post for when I need a role model of what Fatherhood means. I truly hope that we are around to see that day when she eventually finds you.

Thank you staying to support the rest of us, old & new, and always remember, as DWK has been here to support your battle, we all remain here to support you if ever needed for any other aspect of your life's journey, may it bring you happiness in other ways.

🙏 ♥️
 
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