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Becoming a single parent

My wife won’t even say she’ll change, the therapist has said she thinks she’s on the spectrum with the way she handles conversations between us in therapy. Maybe she has, I just know she has zero emotional intelligence, can’t apologise, reason etc and it sends me into depths I didn’t realise.
The can’t apologise thing I fully experience - I just don’t understand it, I’m the first to hold my hands up if I mess up, you apologise, learn from it and move on. She never apologises, always deflecting and pointing fingers (it’s tiring, it’s ok to just admit a mistake, no one judges - except her lol).

And yes it sends into depths I don’t enjoy. As a naturally positive person I’ve come to realise she’s naturally negative- and I’m always playing this battle without realising, is she going to bring me down to her level of negativity or am I going to bring her up to my level of positivity. Truth be told we both edge a bit closer to each other’s type, but that’s making me more negative and I don’t like it or want to be like that, but have to in order to make it peaceful and stay with her. And her little bit of positivity to my side is still just not enough, as it’s so weak that it will just crumble into negativity at any second. Horrible as you have to be someone you don’t want to be just to keep it peaceful in the house or you’re not agreeing with her viewpoint or understanding her, when in reality I understand, I just don’t agree or want to partake in toxic attitudes.
 
Sounds remarkably similar to my situation - it’s somewhat comforting in a morbid kind of way that it’s not just me facing this.

I felt like I didn’t know who I was anymore because of the endless gaslighting and manipulation, making me the bad guy all the time and my old way was to twist and shape everything I am to try and meet her ever changing expectations. I am done with doing that, I am a damn good dad and I won’t back down from this, no matter how hard it is.

Since the split, all of a sudden she’s being overly loving, going out of her way to be super present with the kids in ways she has never done before. She’s gutted and cleaned the house. She’s done everything I was doing and slowly trying to cut me out of doing what I was doing.

Yesterday, my 10yr old girl came up to me and asked if I would ever leave mummy (we promised not to talk to them about it until we have a plan sorted for where we live) - felt like she was putting her up to it to see how I’d react. Not cool.
 
Sounds remarkably similar to my situation - it’s somewhat comforting in a morbid kind of way that it’s not just me facing this.

I felt like I didn’t know who I was anymore because of the endless gaslighting and manipulation, making me the bad guy all the time and my old way was to twist and shape everything I am to try and meet her ever changing expectations. I am done with doing that, I am a damn good dad and I won’t back down from this, no matter how hard it is.

Since the split, all of a sudden she’s being overly loving, going out of her way to be super present with the kids in ways she has never done before. She’s gutted and cleaned the house. She’s done everything I was doing and slowly trying to cut me out of doing what I was doing.

Yesterday, my 10yr old girl came up to me and asked if I would ever leave mummy (we promised not to talk to them about it until we have a plan sorted for where we live) - felt like she was putting her up to it to see how I’d react. Not cool.
Oh my god!!! My Mrs is doing the same thing - all of a sudden she can’t get enough of the kids, trying to overly care for them, like the other night me and my daughter were running around the house, she fell over and I said come on up you get you’re fine, she went over all dramatic and hugging her saying what’s wrong, where does it hurt, show mummy….obviously a kid laps it up, but I was stunned, like she’s just fallen over on soft carpet…plus more so you never leave scrolling on your phone to do that with the kids, what’s changed hey!?

But yeah I drop them off and pick them up from school/nursery every day as it’s on my way to work, plus I have scheduled my day to finish at there finishing time. All of a sudden I’m getting texts at work from her saying she’s picking them up so I can work longer if I want or the kids specifically requested her! Oh man! It’s a joke! I let it slide once but then I just said look it makes no sense, I work 30 seconds from there school (literally) and finish same time. She replied it’s not a competition! Hahahahahahaha! I just said “I know it’s not, just doing what I always do…”

In a way I’m glad she’s changed with the kids and shouting less, kids deserve a mum who is patient and nice, they’ll only have one mum so may as well look at the silver lining that there’s is improving herself. Doesn’t mean I want to reconcile with her, mean she is who she is inside - and I fear as kids grow up and realise her negative and judgemental personality, towards pretty much everyone even family members, then they’ll think it’s normal and I don’t want that. I want them to see me be me, not tip toeing round there mum so she doesn’t go off the rails shouting like she’s the queen and we have to cater only to her. These are kids and deserve to be free and innocent and run around and shout and make mistakes, without fear or anxiety of how another person will react towards them in a really harsh manner.

My wife has started serious money talks, put a land reg charge on the house so I can’t sell it without her permission (like I’d do that leave us and our two toddlers without a home, also don’t know how that would work without showing people round it lol) & asked me to transfer savings all into one account (through a letter from her solicitor!), so she can play nice with the kids, but I know at her core she is an opportunistic, selfish and coercive/controlling/manipulative person. I won’t back down now…. Told her this is your shot, shoot it and take as much from me financially as you can because that’s all you are really focused on, but after the day we divorce I will never have to worry about tip toeing round you or bending over for you and it will be worth whatever this costs me!
 
I’m so sorry you are also seeing this behaviour - I’ve been told this afternoon that she is prepared to “take me to the cleaners” at court and won’t do a collaborative divorce. Plan B and the long fight may be on the cards now…..
 
I’m so sorry you are also seeing this behaviour - I’ve been told this afternoon that she is prepared to “take me to the cleaners” at court and won’t do a collaborative divorce. Plan B and the long fight may be on the cards now…..
How long has it been since you filed for divorce?

My wife has gone through waves of she doesn’t want more than half, to the cleaners and to getting forensic accountants to look at everything!!!!! I think as reality hitting that it’s definitely over with divorce happening and I’m not going to be picking up her bill for life she has become more opportunistic…
 
How long has it been since you filed for divorce?

My wife has gone through waves of she doesn’t want more than half, to the cleaners and to getting forensic accountants to look at everything!!!!! I think as reality hitting that it’s definitely over with divorce happening and I’m not going to be picking up her bill for life she has become more opportunistic…
I’m preparing the paperwork with my solicitor now but haven’t filed yet as I’ve been told the courts won’t be open now until the new year - so I’ll be filing in January.

I’ve told her that I’ll help pay her legal fees if she agrees to the collaborative approach, so that we have more to give the kids at the end of it as opposed to burning all the equity in the house through the courts and legal fees….

I think she sees it as “I’ve got nothing, you’ve got nothing, and I’ll have the kids because I need the benefits and child support”.

We only separated a few days ago so I think it’s all a bit raw and she needs time to process - I’ve suggested we sit and talk next week / week after to sensibly discuss what we do, with the kids best interests in mind
 
I’m preparing the paperwork with my solicitor now but haven’t filed yet as I’ve been told the courts won’t be open now until the new year - so I’ll be filing in January.

I’ve told her that I’ll help pay her legal fees if she agrees to the collaborative approach, so that we have more to give the kids at the end of it as opposed to burning all the equity in the house through the courts and legal fees….

I think she sees it as “I’ve got nothing, you’ve got nothing, and I’ll have the kids because I need the benefits and child support”.

We only separated a few days ago so I think it’s all a bit raw and she needs time to process - I’ve suggested we sit and talk next week / week after to sensibly discuss what we do, with the kids best interests in mind
When you say separated, did one of you leave the marital home with the kids?

Also, I’m new to this but you don’t require a solicitor to divorce. I did it in ten mins on the .gov website, was pretty straight forward to be honest, and don’t have to pay a solicitor anything for it. I hear Christmas is divorce season so sooner you get your application in the pipeline the better I think…
 
When you say separated, did one of you leave the marital home with the kids?

Also, I’m new to this but you don’t require a solicitor to divorce. I did it in ten mins on the .gov website, was pretty straight forward to be honest, and don’t have to pay a solicitor anything for it. I hear Christmas is divorce season so sooner you get your application in the pipeline the better I think…
Both of us are living in the same house, I’ve moved into my little office at the end of the garden for now - she’s pushing me to leave the house but I’ve been advised to stay until CAO is sorted.

I’m trying to get the CAO and settlement for a clean financial break in place, but at the minute she won’t agree to anything - it’s her way or the high way.
 
Both of us are living in the same house, I’ve moved into my little office at the end of the garden for now - she’s pushing me to leave the house but I’ve been advised to stay until CAO is sorted.

I’m trying to get the CAO and settlement for a clean financial break in place, but at the minute she won’t agree to anything - it’s her way or the high way.
Not leaving family home without CAO is the Best advice you can have is my understanding. Not even sure if it’s good to leave after if finances aren’t agreed, perhaps someone can advise on this?

I mean my wife lives for free at ours as I cover everything so if I also left then she’d have no reason to come to an agreement and could delay it because she’s so comfortable. I worry she will delay even if I made her a generous offer of settlement just because she wants to continue living for free (even if it’s uncomfortable with us both under one roof - financially she is “winning”). Plus she is still hoping for reconciliation but only way she knows how is through threats to take the kids away, shouting abuse at me and trying to put fear in me regarding finances. I hear horror stories where it takes 2/3 years for finances to be sorted and always worry that will be us :/
If I leave the house during this period she has less incentive to want to agree plus she could argue I’m all set up…

Also isn’t it crazy they make no consideration for us when it gets to this, you’re living in a small office, I’m in the spare room in the loft sleeping on a toddler single bed that hurts my back and my legs hang off the end whilst she continues to enjoy the double bed in our room even though she’s tiny and would be comfortable in the spare room bed..
 
Not leaving family home without CAO is the Best advice you can have is my understanding. Not even sure if it’s good to leave after if finances aren’t agreed, perhaps someone can advise on this?

I mean my wife lives for free at ours as I cover everything so if I also left then she’d have no reason to come to an agreement and could delay it because she’s so comfortable. I worry she will delay even if I made her a generous offer of settlement just because she wants to continue living for free (even if it’s uncomfortable with us both under one roof - financially she is “winning”). Plus she is still hoping for reconciliation but only way she knows how is through threats to take the kids away, shouting abuse at me and trying to put fear in me regarding finances. I hear horror stories where it takes 2/3 years for finances to be sorted and always worry that will be us :/
If I leave the house during this period she has less incentive to want to agree plus she could argue I’m all set up…

Also isn’t it crazy they make no consideration for us when it gets to this, you’re living in a small office, I’m in the spare room in the loft sleeping on a toddler single bed that hurts my back and my legs hang off the end whilst she continues to enjoy the double bed in our room even though she’s tiny and would be comfortable in the spare room bed..
Another striking similarity between us!

I’m of the mind that so long as I stay put, despite how awkward and uncomfortable it is, there’s a reason for us to settle things. I won’t pay for her to live in the house for free with all the food and bills taken care of, while I’m left destitute through this.

I think we both have to stay put and be there for our kids u til our ex’s can realise we want to settle amicably!
 
Another striking similarity between us!

I’m of the mind that so long as I stay put, despite how awkward and uncomfortable it is, there’s a reason for us to settle things. I won’t pay for her to live in the house for free with all the food and bills taken care of, while I’m left destitute through this.

I think we both have to stay put and be there for our kids u til our ex’s can realise we want to settle amicably!
Jesus mate! We are in the same boat for sure! I am doing the same - I pay the mortgage, bills and even the main weekly food shop. So no way I can leave whilst she relaxes (even uses my netflix account on the TV whilst I scurry off to the spare room so as not to make it uncomfortable once the kids are asleep at night - no shame). The one take away I get from this is eventually this will pass whether it is 1 year or 3 years, then I won't get to see my beautiful children every day and I will be extremely sad on that day and miss them loads, so at least from morning till they go sleep, it is awkward/uncomfortable but I am with my kids....

But yeah guess I'll have to stay put and go through this or she will definitely drag it out for her own benefit.

Keep me posted on how you get on - Feel free to message me if you want - more than happy to talk if you ever need a rant, sometimes I find just a chat or even a quick whatsapp saying what the latest shenanigans from the Mrs are to someone who is probably going to tell you the madness his Mrs is up to always helps, lets you know we are brothers in arms on the battlefield, we will get to VE day one day.
 
Officially seperated last night in an unexpected turn of events - ex wife called it off and I agreed. Followed by 45mins of begging, saying she can change, apologising and the usual cycle of "please dont give up on me" type stuff, as shes done before. I actually stuck to my guns and said its best if we work together for an amicable split.

Then this morning, she tells me she wants me to move out, and its not "fair" that she has to stay around me in the house when im the one who wants out, apparently. I refused and said that I wont be leaving the house I am paying for, until we can agree on where we both go and how the child arrangements are to be setup.

My Solicitor is on board and paperwork underway to get him officially signed on and ive been advised to make copies of all documentation (house, mortgage, insurances, birth certificates etc) so ill be doing that on Monday.

So far the kids are oblivious and ive asked that we wait to talk to them about it until weve agreed what we are doing, and after christmas. I didnt want this to happen last night, I was hoping we could see through my sons birthday on 20th Dec and then christmas, but given she called it off last night, theres no going back now.

Time for a lot of reflection and the start of a long journey. Feeling relieved, sad and anxious all at the same time.
Wowzers, big deal and well done for that first step from me. How did it go with the solicitor? Do you expect to be in the house for a year perhaps?
 
Jesus mate! We are in the same boat for sure! I am doing the same - I pay the mortgage, bills and even the main weekly food shop. So no way I can leave whilst she relaxes (even uses my netflix account on the TV whilst I scurry off to the spare room so as not to make it uncomfortable once the kids are asleep at night - no shame). The one take away I get from this is eventually this will pass whether it is 1 year or 3 years, then I won't get to see my beautiful children every day and I will be extremely sad on that day and miss them loads, so at least from morning till they go sleep, it is awkward/uncomfortable but I am with my kids....

But yeah guess I'll have to stay put and go through this or she will definitely drag it out for her own benefit.

Keep me posted on how you get on - Feel free to message me if you want - more than happy to talk if you ever need a rant, sometimes I find just a chat or even a quick whatsapp saying what the latest shenanigans from the Mrs are to someone who is probably going to tell you the madness his Mrs is up to always helps, lets you know we are brothers in arms on the battlefield, we will get to VE day one day.
Thanks mate, really appreciate all the support here but that message made me realise we are facing the same thing. I’m doing the same things as you for the sake of the kids!

Like you say - it’s a moment in time, it’s going to be rough, but not forever.
 
Wowzers, big deal and well done for that first step from me. How did it go with the solicitor? Do you expect to be in the house for a year perhaps?
I’ll stay in the house until the CAO is in place to protect my access to my kids, and I can afford to get a little flat or something - which won’t be possible until the house is sold.
 
The can’t apologise thing I fully experience - I just don’t understand it, I’m the first to hold my hands up if I mess up, you apologise, learn from it and move on. She never apologises, always deflecting and pointing fingers (it’s tiring, it’s ok to just admit a mistake, no one judges - except her lol).

And yes it sends into depths I don’t enjoy. As a naturally positive person I’ve come to realise she’s naturally negative- and I’m always playing this battle without realising, is she going to bring me down to her level of negativity or am I going to bring her up to my level of positivity. Truth be told we both edge a bit closer to each other’s type, but that’s making me more negative and I don’t like it or want to be like that, but have to in order to make it peaceful and stay with her. And her little bit of positivity to my side is still just not enough, as it’s so weak that it will just crumble into negativity at any second. Horrible as you have to be someone you don’t want to be just to keep it peaceful in the house or you’re not agreeing with her viewpoint or understanding her, when in reality I understand, I just don’t agree or want to partake in toxic attitudes.
My wife’s refusal to apologise just takes small matters that can be easily resolved and makes them into big ones. She’s a dominating character; and I’ve always noticed her siblings have relationships where they’re the dominant one and ultimately their partners are just walkovers. I think she’s always been like this with me tbh, but since we’ve had kids she got worse and I built a backbone and stood up for myself and she hates it.
 
My wife’s refusal to apologise just takes small matters that can be easily resolved and makes them into big ones. She’s a dominating character; and I’ve always noticed her siblings have relationships where they’re the dominant one and ultimately their partners are just walkovers. I think she’s always been like this with me tbh, but since we’ve had kids she got worse and I built a backbone and stood up for myself and she hates it.
I do find my wife’s personality to be eerily similar to her dads, whose far too much of a control freak and very arrogant and would never just apologise even for the smallest thing (which you then think what on earth that could’ve blown over in five seconds but leaves you thinking he’s not someone you really want to hang out with). My wife has no friends that she would go and hang out with regularly ( probs goes out once a year with friends where it’s not a work function) and even getting her siblings to hang out with her is difficult because the dad has made them all compete there whole lives with each other for his approval. She is now doing the same in our household and I have never enjoyed the environment she brings. But now I see my kids, particularly the older one becoming visually anxious around her I knew it was time to make a change or they’ll grow up thinking her behaviour is ok, and if anything as she’s the domineering one, it’s actually how to get ahead - and I really don’t want that…
 
I’ll stay in the house until the CAO is in place to protect my access to my kids, and I can afford to get a little flat or something - which won’t be possible until the house is sold.
Do you think it’s wise to leave even after a cao, given finances aren’t sorted and she could argue you can make do with a flat or wherever you are whilst she needs more space.

Plus just the thing we spoke of earlier regarding her being too comfortable at the home you are financing so why would she rush to change the status quo and would have no issue holding out for a longer time, be more stubborn and unless you accept an unfair settlement just drag it out
 
What sort of timelines would you expect on a CAO and financial order from day one of filing for divorce?
Honestly I’ve no idea - I’d like to think I can be out and back on my own two feet in a year but I have no idea on timescales. Co variations with my lawyer are happening tomorrow to get u see the skin of it all
 
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