Good letter to UN including case law

[Ash]

Not entirely sure what this is about but a submission has been made to the UN by a VAWG representative part of some radical feminist groups. basically saying parental alienation is a "pseudo concept" and is a form of abuse inflicted on women by men claiming it falsely.

Nick Woodall (PA specialist) has written to them to object and have the report dismissed and it's a good letter (and also contains some useful case law). Apparently there's also a petition about it.

There are certain groups who are trying to revoke the presumption of the child having contact with both parents. Their focus seems to be on undermining parental alienation as a concept (ie enabling it).

Family Separation Clinic Submission to the UNHRC – Re:A/HRC/53/36

Ambassador Václav Bálek President of the UN The Human Rights Council Permanent Mission of the Czech Republic to the United Nations Office and other international organizations in Gene…

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[Resolute]

Not entirely sure what this is about but a submission has been made to the UN by a VAWG representative part of some radical feminist groups. basically saying parental alienation is a "pseudo concept" and is a form of abuse inflicted on women by men claiming it falsely.

Nick Woodall (PA specialist) has written to them to object and have the report dismissed and it's a good letter (and also contains some useful case law). Apparently there's also a petition about it.

There are certain groups who are trying to revoke the presumption of the child having contact with both parents. Their focus seems to be on undermining parental alienation as a concept (ie enabling it).

Family Separation Clinic Submission to the UNHRC – Re:A/HRC/53/36

Ambassador Václav Bálek President of the UN The Human Rights Council Permanent Mission of the Czech Republic to the United Nations Office and other international organizations in Gene…

karenwoodall.blog

Thanks Ash, very interesting.

The approach regularly taken by DWK to how PA should be handled is well supported by this:

"The most recent case law, established by the President of the Family Division (Re C (‘Parental Alienation’; Instruction of Expert) Neutral Citation Number: [2023] EWHC 345 (Fam)), is quite clear:

‘Most Family judges have, for some time, regarded the label of ‘parental alienation’, and the suggestion that there may be a diagnosable syndrome of that name, as being unhelpful. What is important, as with domestic abuse, is the particular behaviour that is found to have taken place within the individual family before the court, and the impact that that behaviour may have had on the relationship of a child with either or both of his/her parents. In this regard, the identification of ‘alienating behaviour’ should be the court’s focus, rather than any quest to determine whether the label ‘parental alienation’ can be applied.’"

It shows what the court will be interested in and why trying to label stuff as 'PA' is not going to help.

The bigger picture is a little depressing. This report is plainly a stitch up. It presents opinion as evidence and does not interrogate its 'sources.' There is a well organised and profitable domestic violence industry which is protecting its interests by discrediting any account of child abuse which comes from a man. "Men are Perpetrators!" is the slogan. I think the UNHCR is going to be in the same position as judges were in my family law case. There will be too much 'evidence' for any meaningful decision to be made so they will either be conservative of make a decision based on how it will look.

 

[Ash]

The good news is - the UN listened and the Special Rapporteur's report was not accepted. Yes, sadl, the term "Parental Alienation" has become loaded and is being used as a weapon to accuse men of being abusive if they claim it is happening. This isn't new and it's been advised for quite a long time, not to mention the term "Parental Alienation" or claim it (which then becomes an allegation), but to describe the behaviours and skirt around it, not using the terminology. The other reason for this is, Judges like to determine whether it is or not, rather than have a parent self diagnosing it, so to speak. So a bit like going to the Doctors. You present the symptoms and the Doctor makes the diagnosis from the symptoms.

 

[BrainDad]

Yes, good news that the Special Rapporteur was not accepted.

I think some other things went on behind the scenes too that may have helped focussed the UN's minds ... lol

 

[Ash]

Like what? Interested to hear that!

 

[BrainDad]

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Just what I heard, from my uncle's best mates, sisters, nextdoor neighbour who met a guy on holiday who knew someone, if you get my gist.

 

[Ash]

Nope not sure what you mean lol. You mean individuals may have contacted them as well?