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Advice for cafcass re parental alienation

Luke1234

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Hi everyone
I have my cafcass interview coming up and want to make sure I get things right.
Mum has reapplied to court after I was successful in gaining 40:60 time spent with child after nearly 7 years of inconsistent time no over nights or holidays all controlled by Mum.
There has been a lot go on over the last year, lots of negative comments from child, harassment and abuse from Mum I could honestly go on forever.
Mum has made lots of allegations in her application and I’m just wondering where I stand with cafcass. My solicitors advice was for me to bring up any concerns I have with cafcass now as if Mum makes further allegations I won’t be able to then share my concerns as it looks like tit for tat. My problem is I know I need to keep things child focused and I do have serious concerns about how the parental alienation is effecting our child but I know I can’t name “parental alienation” or bad mouth the ex.
Any advice please on how to approach this
 
Welcome Luke.
As per the cafcass guidance you can use the term alienating behaviours.

It might be helpful to write down your concerns to get clarity. Don't share this with cafcass, it's for you to work out what you want to tell them.

Firstly, in terms of her allegations, list them and say you refute them and if you have evidence to back this up that's great.

As for your concerns, write down a list of the alienating behaviours/events in chronological order.

When it comes to the cafcass call say you want to find resolutions so your children can have a relationship with both parents.
Say you think it's a shame the childrens mother keeps making false allegations as you want to move on amicably for the childrens sake.

I've attached the cafcass definitions of alienating behaviours to help with checking off against the lists.
 

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This is so helpful, thank you for this. I think my worry is that if I say Mum is trying to alienate me and turn our child against me that the judge might see it as me vs her rather than me having the child’s best interests at heart.
As long as I keep bringing it back to how it is effecting our child will it be ok to discuss all of this? I’ve seen so many horror stories of judges misunderstanding I’m just worried. I have evidence to back up her allegations are false but Mum is very manipulative and that’s what is also worrying me.
 
This is so helpful, thank you for this. I think my worry is that if I say Mum is trying to alienate me and turn our child against me that the judge might see it as me vs her rather than me having the child’s best interests at heart.
As long as I keep bringing it back to how it is effecting our child will it be ok to discuss all of this? I’ve seen so many horror stories of judges misunderstanding I’m just worried. I have evidence to back up her allegations are false but Mum is very manipulative and that’s what is also worrying me.
The position you're in is very very common, it's the same position as me and countless others. The court will see it themselves at some point, keep it in mind but don't make it the sole focus of your attention. Cafcass can be as stubborn as a mule, but the trick is to lead them to come to right conclusion. Point out examples of AB and instead of calling it AB, simply ask , Why do you think that has happened ?
 
Welcome Luke.
As per the cafcass guidance you can use the term alienating behaviours.

It might be helpful to write down your concerns to get clarity. Don't share this with cafcass, it's for you to work out what you want to tell them.

Firstly, in terms of her allegations, list them and say you refute them and if you have evidence to back this up that's great.

As for your concerns, write down a list of the alienating behaviours/events in chronological order.

When it comes to the cafcass call say you want to find resolutions so your children can have a relationship with both parents.
Say you think it's a shame the childrens mother keeps making false allegations as you want to move on amicably for the childrens sake.

I've attached the cafcass definitions of alienating behaviours to help with checking off against the lists.
Hey @Peanut 21 , this is an incredible resource - thank you for sharing!
 
@Peanut21 would also like to say thanks for providing the resource. Very helpful for my upcoming section 7 interview with PA allegations.
 
Are you being represented at all? It is much easier for a barrister to say the ex is alienating the kids - (or attempting to) than for you to say it. If you say it, it's an allegation.

My tip is to describe the behaviours and let the court see they are alienating behaviours, without actually calling them that. And use alternative terms like "frustrating contact", manipulating the order etc.

Also do you have any evidence? Saying what she's doing isn't enough - that could just be seen as mudslinging - that is the danger. I did hint at PA once but had a social services closure report which backed it up.

Anyway your initial question was about your upcoming Cafcass interview. Any mention of alienating behaviours is really for paperwork and hearings later.

For the Cafcass interview you want to sound child focused and positive about co parenting. And make that the key.

Otherwise it comes out like - "She's doing xyz" which Cafcass will see as negativity about the Mother. I think what you want is a good Cafcass later and save the arguments about alienating behaviours for hearings.

Dads sometimes have a temptation to want to deal with the whole case with Cafcass and throw everything in - but some things are better addressed at hearings.

So you need to be careful what you say to Cafcass. All they are looking for, in this interview, is - are both parents safe. They will already decide that the Mother is safe because the kids live with her and social services haven't taken them away. So really they are looking at - are you safe.

Hence keeping it about the kids, and not about the ex.

IF Cafcass ask if you have any concerns, you can say, well it worries me that they parrot a lot of negative things from their Mother and say such negative things.

When you say you've had a lot of harrassment and abuse from the ex - in what way? In emails or messages? On the doorstep? Is there any evidence of this?

You want to keep it really calm and low key and say things like - it has been very difficult co parenting as you've been on the receiving end of a lot of hostility, verbally and in writing.

What Cafcass will want to know is WHY she is being like this now - so - has there been a trigger? New partner? A disagreement about something? You need to be able to say - no these things she is saying aren't true - I think she is just angry that I have a new partner/have applied to court.

That kind of thing.

Solicitors do tend to say - if you don't say something now you can't raise it later - they are probably just covering themselves. But it doesn't mean you have to make allegations! What you have to remember is Cafcass aren't Judges. I'm not sure I entirely agree with that advice anyway.

It's more like - if you don't raise something in your initial application, it would be harder to raise it later.

Cafcass are just looking for welfare concerns - to see if there are any. For the children.

Their common fallback is to say there is "conflict between parents" if both parents are accusing each other of things. Also if both parents accuse things, it could lead to a fact find and drag on - which means solicitors earn more money.

Sorry to sound cynical, but our advice for a Cafcass call is - don't say anything negative about the Mother. Or Cafcass will side with her!

The call needs to be about the kids - not the ex. However, it depends what Cafcass ask you. Sometimes they just tend to chat generally and then throw a fastball like "Mrs Ex says you have done xyz". The main thing is not to react and not to retaliate. You can pause - but a good answer might be "I'm sorry she's saying these things because it's not true. She does seem very angry towards me generally and it has been very difficult". Then you change the subject.

Move onto how great the kids are - what they like doing with you. Speak genuinely about the kids and your care for them will shine through. That is what impresses Cafcass - sounding like you care about the kids rather than attacking their Mother.

So two mantras: "Don't say anything negative about the ex" and "I just want our children to have happy loving relationships with both parents".

Cafcass should have ALREADY seen your application. So - did you raise the things the ex was doing in your application? If so you DON'T need to raise them again.
 
The other point to remember is - both parents get to read this letter! Anything you say about the ex, she will read. It could increase hostilities if you say she is doing xyz.

A good Cafcass letter (if there is such a thing), will have a list of mudslinging, lies and allegations from the ex, followed by your reported words contrasting with this, sounding child focused and positive about the Mother but saying what could be improved to make things better for the kids etc.
 
I haven’t had my call yet but had an email from MASH who said CAFCASS had been in touch sharing concerns Mum had raised about things the child has said. I haven’t heard off CAFCASS at all and our position statements are due early next week. It sounds like Mum has had her CAFCASS call and I’m a bit worried I haven’t heard off them yet.
 
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